Gabriel Interview ~
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-Talk about how you first got involved with tantra.
I think I came from the womb with the innate mission of questioning the validity of just about everything…but where the angels and demons most whispered secrets into my ears was in the realms of sex and relationships. When I became involved with Tantra, I was in need, at the deepest Soul level, of experiencing depth and meaning in those places. I was looking everywhere I knew, trying to find healthier ways of being, and although Tantra wasn’t one of the directions I was searching, the lessons we need have a way of finding us. I’ll share with you two core circumstances that ultimately brought ‘Tantra’ to me;
There was a period…perhaps a year or so after acquiring my Bachelors…that i was riding my bike to work every morning, to a little coffee shop in Austin, Texas. Every day on that ride, I passed a ‘Gentleman’s Club’…and every day, as I passed by, my stomach would tighten. I was bothered by the reality that, throughout university, I’d paid my own way, working really hard to achieve that certificate in good standing…yet there I was, still working at a coffee shop for minimum wage… still struggling to make rent. Since I’d left home at 15, I’d had a hell of a time trying to survive in the world, so I was feeling a bit anxious as it was sinking in that the Bachelors…my vestige of hope towards ascension from minimalism and poverty, was proving to amount to nothing except…debt! How unjust is that?! Meanwhile, I knew that inside that Club, there were girls…those kinds of girls…making more in one night then I did in an entire week. So here I am, a complete ass, supposedly doing the ‘right’ thing, and I was broke, angry, and mega bored with the whole thing. Beyond all that… what was up with these men? Even from childhood I wondered where values and ethics came into play… with people, with the environment, money… work…yet it was the strip clubs, porn, and the sex trade industries were rolling in the dough. Why were the men here, rather than caring for their children, homes, or communities? Was it just me?…Had I watched too many episodes of ‘Little House on the Prairie’ and ‘Grizzly Adams’? Whatever it was, I was at the end of my rope with ‘survival mode’…esp considering I’d done ’the right things’, and I was still in it. But just as daunting was the level of judgment I had toward everything about that stupid place. Whether it was truly as evil as I thought or not, I still innately didn’t like the fact that I had a sense of hatred towards it going on…and although I didn’t understand it at the time, somehow it turned it all around and made it more about me. So, I parked my bike, went inside, and filled out an application. Whatever all was, I was painfully aware that I could not stand a day longer in the powerlessness that strangled my life like some ethereal python from hell…with spikes. So I cut hours at the coffee house, maintaining just enough work to pose semblance of social accountability… and went out shopping for G-strings and 6-inch heels. How, I pondered aghast as I held a pair of sparkling red ‘fuck me’ pumps up before me, was I to walk in these things, let alone dance? I was an alchemical soup of excitement, curiosity and sheer terror for the stage I was about to step onto. Do I get to practice? What do I do with the pole?
Meanwhile, the angels and demons had been whispering their antics to me at home as well. I had begun traversing through new themes from the same vein. There, for the first time, my partner and I had begun experimenting in the world of polyamory…I’ll tell you why ~
Perhaps typical standards of relationship in the west are considered ‘normal’ to most… but to me…it all looked absolutely devastating. I just didn’t have it down. I was always either scared or bored or angry or obsessing…I didn’t have one aota of calm or content or centered… or the slightest Idea what it meant to enjoy creation, centered in the knowing of my own direction. I was something akin to an abused Chihuahua on methamphetamines. Anyway, I didn’t know if it was my childhood experience or the undercurrents of control, manipulation, jealousy, anger, resentment, and general unpleasantness I was noticing all around… but it all left me wondering what any of it had to do with love. I mean… how did much of anything society was spitting out have anything to do with love? I remember as a kid in elementary school, staring blankly into those lists of possible careers. The other kids were happily checking their boxes –fireman, -policeman – architect, -secretary. I looked around wondering what was wrong with me….for many, many years to come. I just couldn’t fit myself into any of those boxes.
The only two solutions that I saw before me to find a better way were A) The Conventional Model – Psychotherapy, or B) The Alternative – Polyamory. I’d tried psychotherapy enough to know about the usefulness of psychotherapy… so what remained was the alternative. Polyamory wasn’t something I was excited about. I wasn’t sure it was even ethical. But what I was sure about was I was in a relationship with a man who, although I loved him dearly, was burning a flame of a lesser caliber, and my bored gene was kicking in. We both knew something had to change, but we weren’t so interested in separating. Funny enough, a few years back I’d happened to have met a polyamorous man who happened to be well spoken, charismatic, well educated, well traveled, completely intriguing, and delightfully sexy man that also happened to be completely crazy about me…who also had a beautiful wife of similar qualities…well, minus the being a man and crazy about me thing. Point being, it was the perfect opportunity to give poly a try, so when I presented the idea to him, he agreed…albeit hesitantly.
So I’ve got those two situations going on backstage. Life is looking a little different. Several months pass, and some nights in the club are close to enjoyable in between the shady layers. Sometimes I like dancing on stage, and on a good night I find meaning in giving attention to some of these men. Compassionate understanding…in between ‘sleaze ball’ accusations made under my breath… slowly begin to replace my judgment for strip clubs. I’ve got decent money in my pocket for the first time ever, so some days I go to that coffee shop and just sit around lounging, and read books and drink latte. Only problem is, I’m an x alcoholic and drug addict, and that place is swarming with my demons…but I mean really, who can work a night at a strip club without a drink or two. I moderated well enough… never got drunk. Nevertheless, the place is filled with cigarette smoke, and even two drinks a night is past what my body appreciates any more, so I start getting sick…slowly and steadily.
Meanwhile, in poly I’m walking an edge of blunders interpolated with blissings…we always love their company and there’s something completely wonderful about the unstated agreement we all make to love each other, even if they’re loving another. However, that’s the ideal but it doesn’t always work out that way completely. I hardly notice until it’s too late…my partner is growing even more distant from me. So after some time when the newness wears off and I look around, I come to figure out that, even though there’s been some really sweet sexuality, the thing I’ve been missing…something…I don’t know…emotional I guess, is still missing. Plus I’m feeling like crap. So the self-judgment starts coming in big, ‘cause…well… what now? The stripping’s my best income so far, but it makes me sick. The poly is fun and sexual…but it’s not got that…something…whatever that is. So…what else to do, but fall into a deep pit of depression.
Meanwhile, I’m speaking with a friend I’ve know on the sidelines from the festival circuit a few years back, named Desert. Dez calls himself a ‘Tantric Sacred Sexual Healer’, and he’s been talking me through my challenges in open relationship and in the strip club the entire time…which has been nothing less than a Godsend. I call him any time I feel I can’t take another step forward…which is quite regularly at this point, and his words help me to keep my chin up for another day. Meanwhile, he’s also been telling me he thinks I’m oh so very special. So special, in fact, that he thinks I’m what you call a Dakini and, you never know, maybe he and I are partners…and what if I came to his Temple in Sedona to be with him…and hey, what if we were to travel and teach Tantra together! Wouldn’t that be cool! I think he’s been very helpful to me, but first of all I know absolutely nothing about Tantra, but shit I wish I did because all of that sounds really amazing and profound. Is he serious? He can’t be. But thing is, I’m pretty sure he’s a major player, and I’m not into that.
But then a surprise happened. You know, just when things are pretty bad, they can, actually, get worse.
My brother passes away from a massive head aneurism.
I spend the next 6 months becoming part of the living room furniture. I still work as a stripper, as minimally as possible, and I still see my other lover at the same frequency. My primary relationship is already fallen apart and now I’m sleeping in the office. I don’t think anything I’m doing is right. I’m depressed…yeah…still, and exhausted, and I don’t know what to do. It’s like having a drill sergeant in your face screaming ‘DO IT SOLDIER’, but not telling you what, and all you can do is lay there and hear it. The drill sergeant doesn’t give a shit that you’re exhausted and life has no meaning. There were two people in this world I felt I could tell anything to, and now one of them was gone. The other one left me an invite in my last email inbox. Come with me to Travel the World and Teach Tantra. Well… what did I have to lose?
-Sum up the events and experiences in the movie, just to give the readers a general idea of what it’s about.
Daka falls in love with girl. Daka tells girl she’s a Dakini. He is a practitioner of ‘Tantra’ and calls sex and relationships ‘Sacred’, and she has for a long time been holding a deep calling inside of her to understand and embody that truth. He lavishes her with attention, calls her ‘Goddess, and she thinks he offers the kind of life experience and meaningful work that makes her eyes brighten and her toes wiggle. So they come together in poly relationship and travel the world and teach Tantra- meaning, Daka teaches workshops, Dakini listens and adds in her two cents, and people really dig on it. Dakini starts feeling uneasy because Daka is having sex with overwhelming numbers of women. But the thing is, he has many years of experience in this work and is changing lives around the world. He battles the binds of sexual conditioning, and is healer of sexual wounding. He speaks of the temples of old and the distorted masculine and wounded feminine, and the need to end separation. He offers sacred spot massage and ‘sacred union’. Orgasms mean healing…the more the better. He’s got a ‘big sexual appetite’ and desires ‘beautiful Goddesses’…lots of them. He is a lover and a fighter for sexual freedom!
There are issues for others around this, but he’s got no issues. In fact he’s walking into this fully aware…taking total responsibility. After all, somebody’s got to do this! It is women’s issues of jealousy and separation that she must heal when she is contracted in the face of his sexual appetite. How can she really argue with that, I mean, lots of women were enjoying their time with him. Isn’t she just being a selfish ninny to want him to slow down and be there with her.
For about a year and a half I think… I experienced a relationship where one lover followed the next in a never-ending train. I was rather shell shocked over the first few months as I realized the degree of what I was involved in, as I didn’t know this kind of thing actually existed. But there I was in the middle of it, and our life was in such constant motion that the best I could do was to go along with it, and learn to confront ‘my issues’, as he so generously pointed out. Granted…I wasn’t always great at that, seeing this was quite a confusing situation; Were these truly only my issues?… or his? Projections?…or calling Bullshit? Anyway, he’s a big person who knows lots of other big people with lots of big stuff going on. And this is the biggest I’ve ever been…with more money, travel, experience and recognition, than ever before. The biggest problem was I’d come to really love Dez…but what the hell was wrong with him? Wasn’t he a sex addict..and if not, why wouldn’t he just chill the fuck out and be with me? I was sure he was, but who was I to know? And if he wasn’t, was he just a distraction addict or something? Cause something was butt wrong here, and after a while I was figuring out it sure wasn’t just me, like he was saying. The whole thing was major brain fry.
Towards the end of our time together, my humor was dead gone. I was sucked dry and losing any last vestiges of hope or interest I may have had left for him. It’s not that I wasn’t willing, but man, I just didn’t have any real space from one lover to the next to chill out and feel nurtured in our partnership. By the time I decided I was at the end of my rope, it was already too late. I was hanging from a thread…quickly shredding with disgust. When I found I could no longer stand the smell of him or even his room…that’s when I finally leave the relationship. But I’m shocked at how upset he gets when I leave….he’s crying…seemingly traumatized. This baffles me..what would he be missing? After all, to him…well… I haven’t been able to get beyond my issues to meet him. I’ve heard that and looked at it so much that I’ve grown numb to it now. He says he’s never loved a woman like this before…he can’t get over it. But I’m beyond over it… Cooked. Toast.
After I’m gone, the film still needs to roll. Dez begins to use Sex Magic with other lovers and clients to call me back into his life. Although I’m gone, I remain in confusion around the disparity between his words and actions. He’s seems to somehow exist in my ‘field’ all the time. I wonder why he’s still there…I know I’m not wanting to be with him…but his conviction about our partnership when I speak with him still makes me wonder…has it really all just been my issues?…but deep down I know what I have seen. Nevertheless my confusion and lack of clarity brings me back for a visit to see how we feel. When I arrive, we lay together and we feel good there, and it seems a bit of a breakthrough. I can finally relax around him, and I consider the possibility of allowing him back into my life. After all, a few weeks ago he’d actually gone out and bought an engagement ring and asked for my hand in marriage and said things would be different. I thought about that for a moment as I gazed at that ring, and told him I’d sit with it a few days.
It’s at this juncture, shown in the movie, when Dez’s client and lover, Robin, is shown all teary eyed and grateful how beautiful it is that she had helped with Sex Magic to bring me back into Dez’s life. Yeah… Thanks, Robin…you meant well. So no, I don’t go back. I know better now. Beyond the words, I’d developed a good strong distrust for him…so I walk away for good this time.
We talk back and forth over Skype the next three years. I’ve been sick with some bizarre, undiagnoseable disease the whole time. The remainder of the film shows him playing in Hawaii with two other beautiful goddesses. We have another chat on the phone when he’s there. Although he’s with two others at the very moment we’re speakinh, he tells me ‘I don’t need anybody else’. The film concludes with Dez saying that he feels people’s accusations of sex addiction towards him are their issues. He refuses to join the collective of sexual pain, fear and guilt…and he also refuses to let this one go. He knows this is ‘his’.
-What were the qualities of Baba Dez that led you to become involved with him in the beginning? Was it mostly a matter of him being a good lover and a teacher of tantra, or did it go well beyond sex and the physical?
Some of this is explained briefly above. I was in a very challenged place when we came into partnership. And although I’d proceeded with bells and whistles and red flags of warning, those could be overlooked and justified seeing that there was so much being offered. First and foremost was the beautiful sound of a life practice that involved bringing Spirituality and Sexuality together. I mean… I’d never really amounted to much of anything but a serious pane in the ass to whatever poor soul took me on as their girlfriend. But how amazing was all this… Now I was going to learn how to be a real live Dakini! So what led me was that deep need…into the rich, rooted, earthy nurturance of meaning. I was willing to deal with his sexual proclivities- of course, I had no idea of the intensity I was about to take on – considering it was all in the realms I was exploring. I wanted to know healthy, conscious relationship. His titles; ‘Tantra’, ‘sacred sex’, ‘Divine Feminine’…all of that had me thinking here were the keys…and they were wrapped up neatly in a silk cloth, tied with a bow and presented on a silver platter.
As for sexuality…physically, we were a perfect fit. Many people commented on how beautifully we matched each other. Energetically however, was a different story, and there would be major lessons around this…lessons that I am still learning from… years later. Nevertheless, the first night we made love and slept together in his bed, I had an amazingly vivid dream. It’s and intensely bright double rainbow…something I’d never actually seen in waking life, until later that year in our travels to Australia together. It was so clear that regardless of any doubts or red flags I may have had…this was an undoubtedly clear omen… I was exactly where I was supposed to be.
-What’s your understanding of the real meaning of Tantra? And how does or doesn’t Tantra relate to “sacred sexuality”?
First of all, if we are going to delve into the real meaning of Tantra, I shall begin with the following disclaimer; I know absolutely nothing and do not claim authority or expertise to ‘Real’ Tantric knowledge. I don’t follow any specific sect…nor have I, in this lifetime… been devotee to any human form…well, except a boyfriend or two… but maybe that was just obsession. Anyway, believe you me, if I’d had ‘my’ way, I’d have jumped at the chance, considering how I was run by longing to surrender into the comfort and safety of such guidance, however it doesn’t always work out the way we think we want it… and thank God for that. That said, if you are to place yourself voluntarily on a Tantric path without a Guru… you’ll need a peculiar combination of masochistic fearlessness of the warrior, innate humility, a little bit dumb, and wise devotional intent that guides your path. You must have the will to go where angels fear to tread, and that usually is not of your own choosing. It is sitting in the metaphorical cremation grounds that transfoms fear and confusion into the greatest of Gifts…the very impetus to recognition of‘ ‘I Am’. It’s one hell of a ride. I won’t pretty it up for you…it can take years or a day or a lifetime to walk through. But once you do, Magic becomes normal, and One comes to peace with all of the challenges faced as rites and Gifts set out by the One True Guru. Disclaimer made…
I like the description of Tantra as ‘madhuvidya’- the ‘honey teachings’. This means that the bees of Spirit do the work of transforming all that is…good and evil, dark and light, the beautiful and the ugly…into nectar. Tantric knowledge and initiations are traditionally handed down from a Guru to a disciple, and incorporates long periods of discipline and practice utilizing strict ethical codes, Yoga, meditation, mantra, yantra and rituals. Disciplines bring the mind and body into harmony with Spirit, unlocking creative potentials, cultivating evolutionary thought, and providing the strength and willpower to journey alone into the depths of the unknown to find our own unique truths and wisdom. The Left Hand Path, or Red Tantra, utilizes sexual ritual for the purpose of achieving liberation from desire and attachment, while the Right Hand Path, or White Tantra, is generally an ascetic and celebate path with the same aim. Tantra utilizes the body and the mundane world as access to the Spiritual. A path of non-duality, self is seen as a microcosm of all that is. Physical reality and the mundane become Sacred… and all aspects of creation are seen as Divine. This is what I understand as ‘real’ Tantra.
Tantra in the West, however, is furtively called Neo-Tantra, pop, or California Tantra. It is a beautiful effort to bring intimacy and human connection back into a collective on a perfectly devastating prosaic trajectory. It is a profound body of work that effectively addresses the sparks of Spiritual awakening… manifest as both urgent desires for corporeal comfort of sexuality… and the need to submerge oneself into the unknown. Yet Neo-Tantra has earned it’s name well, as it’s teachings tend to enfolded upon itself… caught within the ‘lower triangle’ consciousness in practice, as is the apprehension of so many of it’s teachers. They are, after all, receiving money, sex and power. It remains stuck because it is a neophyte… sprouted directly from the soil of a materially bound, spiritually pretentious and sexually obsessive paradigm.
Because Neo-Tantra lacks the most pertinent aspects of Tantra, it doesn’t know what it doesn’t know, and if it were to open it’s eyes it would find itself stuck in the same patterns of ego and gratification …except now it sits on the opposite polarity of the very culture it seeks to heal…which is the same place it started. More abundance, more love, more sex, more orgasms…does this all sound familiar? Professing non-duality, it nevertheless egotistically sees itself as the healer of a sexually sick culture… and so in it’s wake, can perpetuate the very sickness it projects outwards. It is Tantra’s scantily dressed, pothead teenager… bouncing excitedly around it’s father’s perimeters, borrowing his language and imparting his movements in pretense of maturity. It thinks it can seduce and fuck itself into the depths it yearns for, but doesn’t yet understand.
Nevertheless, what Neo-tantra is addressing cannot be avoided. How we experience and understand sexuality, determines the experiences of our lives. If we are to evolve Spiritually, we must look at where we are deeply conditioned sexually, face our shadows, and reprogram ourselves into a more authentic sexuality. But we cannot do that if we are simply following yet another collective conditioning. One must eventually step out of the safety of egoistic identities, and move beyond the spiritually idealistic, sweet sounding yet surface level cliché’ Spiritual idioms. Eventually everyone must come to sit in the cremation grounds, alone… and face Death. But what a party pooper I am! Isn’t the pleasure paradigm delicious! Life is everything. Everything is Tantra…even Neo-Tantra. Did I just contradict myself?
It would behoove Neo-Tantra’s practitioners to stand tall and proud without guiltily hiding behind the word ‘Tantra’ – a discipline who’s breadth it does not honor – and remain within a more honest portrayal of what it is…‘Sacred Sexuality’. That said…those tantric honeybees do have a way of transforming ‘All that is’ in just the right ways.
-Talk a little about sex and boundaries. At what point did you realize the relationship with Baba Dez wasn’t what you wanted, and even that it had crossed into the realm of being unbalanced and unhealthy? From your perspective now, is polygamy not the right way to go, either in general or for you personally? Does it go against the nature of human needs for emotional commitment and stability, or do you still think it can be a balanced and workable lifestyle under the right circumstances?
First and foremost, one must truly know themselves…their expectations, desires, intentions, and goals, to have clear boundaries. If we haven’t delved into our deepest internal/shadow work, then what we call ‘boundaries’… are more appropriately termed ‘walls’. They are the inflexible, reactive places…manifested from the pain and fear created from childhood wounds and cultural conditioning, arising from the unconscious. Along the path of our journey, ideally we learn to break down the solidity of walls, and create clear, flexible boundaries…usually by crossing over them.
From the beginning I didn’t think partnership with Dez was what I ultimately wanted…but I also wasn’t completely sure. He was fun and a helpful friend…but I wasn’t so attracted, and I’d had red flags about his sexual nature from the start. But the thing is… the essence behind those flags was alluring; meaning…i wanted to understand how to be less emotional and attached. At the same time, I wanted to find a sense of depth and meaning in work, and in life. I wanted to be Spiritual… But I’m the prozac poster child.
The way I figured it, if anyone could show me the ropes, it was a man with the title ‘Tantric Sacred Sexual Healer’, and that man was clear that I was a Dakini. So what we have here…is a girl without a daddy, and a man with some kind of ‘authority’ telling this girl she’s special in some way. You get the picture. Anyway, seeing I wasn’t that into him, this would be the perfect opportunity to explore all of this. Of course, within the first week together we’re glued at the hip every second we can be, but he’s got other lovers and plans ahead, and before much longer, that confidently detached cool is slipping between my fingers. Suddenly I find myself entangled into a complex and baffling web of thoughts, emotions, feelings, intuitions and sexual energetic strings and snares that I just hadn’t planned on at all…or had I?
Nevertheless, as we travel together, I’m sitting tall, next to him, in the important Spiritual person seat, and loving everything I’m hearing. This was all completely new language, and all very exciting! Yet, as time rolled forward, the man introducing concepts like ‘ the body, heart and belly knows’, was the very person my belly was slowly contracting in response to. While he’s saying ‘sex is Sacred’, I’m not so sure he’s treating it that way. A major inward struggle with myself ensued between the opposing intelligences of body and mind, Spiritual and emotional, logical and intuitive. Nevertheless, I wanted to be healthy and conscious more than anything. My highest priority was to face my shadows and projections. So each time I felt triggered around his sexuality with other woman, I did my best to look at my wounds, jealousy, and anger. I punched pillows and slammed my face into them screaming “You Ass Hole!” I processed with others. I cried and ached and moaned. I climbed mountains, studied metaphysics, did cleansing and colonics… and ate lots and lots of Spirulina. Over time, with the train of women that just kept coming and coming, I think i was holding onto the hope that he’d one day just ‘snap out of it’. I couldn’t understand his choice of perpetual distraction into other women vs. giving it a rest and going deeper with the one he repeatedly claimed to love the most…who was clearly distraught and asking him to stop and be with her. So…as I mulled over the tits and ass ‘Tantric massage’ ads…the question kept returning…’how is any of this Sacred’? But there was so much… the words, the vision, the travel, the money in my pocket and some sorely needed attention and recognition…all that kept me doing my best to recognize what I was being told through his ‘authority’ and ‘expertise’ on these subjects; this was all just my issues that kept me questioning and contracted…my pain, judgment and fear around sexuality.
So when did I know the relationship with Baba Dez wasn’t what I wanted? That would depend on which part of me you asked, but I think had it been my heart, it knew from the start. Yet our deepest Soul’s lessons are not always so gentle. In the end, it was just those red flags that ultimately became the finger pointing to the moon… facing the frightening, challenging, and unknown places…bringing down the walls and experiencing the humanity that exists in those places. One day, years down the line, I could integrate and transform it all into a wiser, more compassionate and loving place.
I could easily enough say, from one perspective, the entire relationship was ‘unhealthy’ and ‘unbalanced’…but what would be the point of that? I’d rather say, that experience led me through the Valley of the shadow of Death. Those lessons forced me to open my eyes and bring myself into my freedom and power. My life has improved tremendously since, so ultimately… it was the most healthy relationship I’ve experienced.
Just imagine a world where people would be willing to take personal responsibility for their own lives and lessons…and see the gift even in the most painful circumstances. Then noone can be simply slapped with labels and uncompassionately dismissed without realization that it is from those very places of shadow and death that wake us out of our slumber and create the changes we ultimately all long for and need.
To respond to your inquiry about poly, I think for some, poly is certainly the way to go. After all, how could it not be… there’s many doing it. I know a handful of couples that have been successfully poly for years…and I think what creates that success is very strong foundational partnerships. They raise children together, are dynamic in their individual careers, and carry a certain level of maturity in supporting each other equally. With such solid foundations, no…I don’t feel it necessarily goes against needs for emotional commitment and stability…if that is the path that interests them, and they truly meet in that desire, then that is theirs to experience.
Yet for me, it’s not what I ultimately want. Mainly because what I have encountered so much in the poly community is tendency towards intense focus on sexuality and relationships, and for me, that focus has become rather annoying and redundant. Beyond this, in my experience in poly, I was never met in that… ‘God -I just can’t contain myself- I am -so in love -I can barely stay inside my skin -eyes welling- my heart is exploding- dripping with love’… kind of experience. For me, being met there, in the juicy depths of such intensity, is simply what makes life worth living. And I’d rather wait to have that even if just for one more experience in this lifetime, than have all the sex in the world that just can’t go there. I’ve only had that level of meeting with monogamous partners as we’ve grown deeper in love with each other over time. But that’s just my experience. Who’s to say what is to come.
From a practical perspective, polyamory makes absolute sense under plenty of circumstances. For example, imagine if couples with children, finding themselves at odds, considered the choice to remain together working as a parental team, while opening their relationships to others? Can you imagine how much healthier those children’s perspectives will be…how safe, nurtured and loved they will feel. What if partners love each other and wish to remain together, yet clearly are changing, say, sexually or spiritually, in incompatible directions, and desire to be met in those changes? With just some alternative reference points, and a little creative thought towards options other than jumping to divorce or vindictive separations, the world becomes a place of limitless possibilities. Judging any path as right or wrong for everyone is just stupid…and many a polyamorist is just as guilty as the monogomists for their righteous indignation and finger wagging. My question for polyamory from a spiritual perspective is…is poly and sex being used to avoid and distract from higher consciousness, or to move closer? This is up to each individual to decide.
For me, poly was a finger pointing to the moon… ultimately directing me towards the depths of connection with myself and All That Is that I was seeking from the very beginnings…I just didn’t know it. Sex and Spirit are inseparable, and it is way too easy to call one or the other blasphemy for all in accordance to their own terms. Sex can be one of the most beautiful, pleasurable and profound paths to God. Yet, as with any medicine, ceremony, religion, or even philosophy, more does not always equal better. Deep honor and discretion must be taken for the power of such a Gift…lest it turn to poison.
-Do you still practice tantra in some form, and if so what does it entail?
You know, I used to try, very hard, to understand Tantra and to work at being a Tantric. I went to the workshops and conferences, traveled around the world thinking I was going to heal myself and help heal other people. But you know, I think the practice of Tantra only really begins when we drop all of that, realizing there’s nothing to heal. When the time came that I forgot I was seeking… and the understanding of God within All That Is somehow integrated from a mental concept, into embodied reality…that is the Tantra that I now experience.
-What is sex magic and how does it fit into tantra, if at all?
Sex magic is the use of orgasmic energy for prayer. It is extremely powerful… and yes, it can be used Tantrically. However… that would entail it’s use only by the wisest and most developed beings who have ‘squashed the grapes of ego so they may partake in the wine of Spirit’.
Wielded towards ego desires…it is otherwise known as Black Magic. The present fad of teaching Sex Magic to any workshop attendee is like handing a two year old a canister of gasoline and a pack of matches. It is justified with surface level Spiritual Idealism, and utterly ignorant towards the energies inherent in such a practice. I have heard too many teachers justify use of Sexual or Black magic by making the argument that such words as ‘if it be for the highest good’ are used. Yet…can you imagine the elementals would discern and make use of ridiculous left-brained words such as ‘if it be for the highest good’ over the profound passionate depth of one’s innermost feelings, thoughts, desires, distortions, and Soul energies of a person in sexual union? It’s something akin to saying you can look at a person and make the statement ‘fuck you’ and it doesn’t matter what energy is coming through. When in truth, that ‘fuck you’ could be anywhere on the spectrum of hilarious to vicious and beyond…the words themselves are not the truth. The truth emanates from within.
-After everything you’ve experienced, what are your thoughts on sex as it fits into the scheme of life? Are we all just overly obsessed with it and making it out to be more than it really is, or does it still live up to all the hype for you? And did you ever reach something you might call ultimate sexual satisfaction? If so, how or why–was it more of a physical experience, an emotional one, a spiritual revelation, all of the above or something entirely indescribable perhaps?
I feel that, yes… we as a collective, are undoubtedly obsessed with sex. Yet, sexuality and relational forms are, historically, the fulcrum point of cultural structure. With the massive shifts in paradigm that are now occurring, I think this focus on sexuality is serving the purpose of waking us from prosaic structures of nuclear family, individualism, isolation, separation…and most of all, the meaninglessness that has been created through all of this. Perhaps this ‘obsessive’ focus is the interpretation of Shakti waking a culture running on the lower three chakras.
As I said a bit earlier, for me, all the hype on sexuality has grown redundant. I feel the same for all the hype about Spirituality, as well. There is a whole lot of lip service pointing to something that is still missing for them…whether it be ‘Sacred Sex’, ‘Tantra’, ‘Spiritual integration’ or what have you. We’ve become dumb with Spiritually prosaic phrases. A good friend, in fact, recently wrote me, frustrated about this very subject- “I get the feeling that these well-worn ‘loving’ cliched phrases are just a substitute for feeling the pain of not yet being where these people want to be, with ‘god’, enlightened, happy, etc.”
My point here is that there a radical difference between integrated embodiment, and hype. So no, the hype’s not so interesting.
As for the ‘ultimate sexual experience’ I will say this. I’ve had many profound sexual experiences in the past. Those experiences were simply my natural expression at the time. Since then, I’ve become a different being, seeing the roles of love an sexuality in an entirely new way. Yet I’ve been on my own for most of my deepest integrations over the last few years, and now I’m just being here, doing as I love. So, whether my sexual experiences will become something other than what I have seen, is yet to be seen. The ‘ultimate sexual satisfaction’ at present is simply acceptance of what is …nothing else needed.
-What advice can you convey to men in the general realm of relating with women? What can or should men do better or differently in order to connect with women in the same way that women desire in their hearts to connect with men?
Any man will be able to connect with a woman when he is truly connected with himself. Problem is, most people are so caught up in their stories that they can’t truly get quiet enough to center, step outside of their dramas, and offer to themselves what they need in order to create the changes that will truly alter their lives. Men who are connected to Nature, Earth, and devotion… have no problems relating here. He must be willing to walk through the valley of the shadow of Death in order to come into his maturity, and that may very well mean walking alone and learning that the energy and pleasure of Shakti is from Source…all that is… not from the physical womb. Just as all women must learn the stability and protection of Consciousness is from Spirit, not from a man. When a man does this…when he is connected with the nature of his True devoted Self he will not need to ‘do anything’ differently…he will simply be different…and naturally know how to connect with and deeply love woman.
-What advice or tips can you give men when it comes to lovemaking? What do men generally do wrong, what do they do right, and what should they be doing that they just aren’t getting around to at all? What are a few super important things that men should keep in mind when it comes to making love, that will help take both man and woman into something resembling cosmic ecstasy, true sexual satisfaction?
So I’m gonna answer this question for both men and women. Feeling…the depths of love…cannot be emitted from lovemaking if it is to be truly ecstatic and satisfying. It is vulnerability, openness, and the willingness to experience and dance with whatever arises naturally. Our sexuality is so metaphorical for where we are as a collective. What we generally do ‘wrong’ is focus on the physical…we go into constant motion because our nervous systems are wound up and we are so conditioned to go for the goal… when the best part is along the journey. We don’t need to try…it is always felt. Trying to make a woman come or stay hard or get to orgasm is the antithesis of the most profound levels of sensuality. When we try and move into constant physical, goal oriented sex…our genitals, our hearts, and our souls grow numb. Trying needs to be replaced with ‘being’, and ‘being’ can only be there when we are integrated enough in ourselves to truly relax into love. Then the focus is on the entire experience, not just the genitals, or the erection, or the orgasm. Then we begin to slow down, feeling ourselves and our partners…honoring the love that is there, the mystery of being in these bodies, eye to eye, deeply present…moving with the natural waves and rhythm of what is.
-What is the true nature or role of femininity as you see it, the goddess energy, and what is or should be the real role of the masculine?
This is a tricky question to respond to, as Masculine and feminine are forever One, inseparable Beingness. Nevertheless, I will do my best to create distinction to respond to the question. Know that any ‘roles’ portrayed are absolute bullshit and mental concepts that, if taken literally, ultimately serve as nothing but entrapment. That said ~
The feminine is limitless, feeling, flowing, creativity in action and manifestation. She cannot be separated from the masculine, as she embodies him. She is consciousness itself, manifest. If I look at mother nature, Gaia… I can see her fecundity, her loving and giving nature. She is a limitless source of beauty and creativity that nurtures and provides. She provides joyously for those who honor her natural beauty, flow and rhythms… providing everything we need. Yet If she is seen as separate…if her gifts are forgotten and dishorned as something to greedily take from, she responds with great force, either becoming dry, deserted, and barren… or a raging storm which destroys everything in it’s wake. So her role is both sexuality and death ~ to nurture, provide and birth creation into being…as well as the energy and form that catalyze the lessons of Spiritual growth and learning.
The masculine is Spirit, Truth… unchanging consciousness itself. He cannot be separated from the Goddess Shakti, as he the Ultimate Source of her form. He is life and breath itself. The masculine is the Father, who provides truth, wisdom, structure, direction, knowing… the seed of life. Every cell, tree, plant, fish, and animal knows what to do. They simply are what they are…they be…as consciousness itself. Only man developed the ability to create the illusion of separation from Being, through the mind, so as to observe himself as Being. So the masculine is Spirit, the direction of Being. He is life itself, it’s protector, and destroyer. When out of alignment, the masculine… through the mind…disengages from Shakti…from feeling and creative energy. He becomes numb and destructive… a separate, lost, limited form unaware of itself as Being.
Masculine and feminine are always One, yet the world of physical reality creates the illusion of duality. Men and women are equally masculine and feminine, Shiva and Shakti, in the highest sense. Only as we move ever further into density…into the mind and physical reality as separate from Spirit, do such distinctions become in any way significant.